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Representation may be a fundamental principle of living systems, but it is difficult to generalize formally because it appears to vanish at the molecular level.

Central open theoretical tension raised in the discussion.

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Open questions about time and self-reference in living systems

(2026) · Samson Abramsky · Wolfgang Banzhaf · Leo S. D. Caves · Michael Levin +4

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Open questions about time and self-reference in living systems
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Whether representation can serve as a foundational principle, or whether it is itself founded on the autonomous organization that makes representation possible at all.
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Final open question of the discussion, left genuinely unresolved.

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Representation as explanatory strategy and autonomy as constitutive process generate an apparent contradiction that may not need to be dissolved but confronted, opening a wider domain of understanding.
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Final unresolved theoretical tension the paper leaves open regarding whether representation is foundational or founded on autonomy.

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Life is the most general case, with physics being the special case, and life involves at least one currently unknown fundamental principle.claim0.809
Attributed to Rosen and endorsed as motivating the search for new theoretical principles like representation.
What we call a representation is not a correspondence given an external state of affairs, but a consistency with a system's own ongoing maintenance of identity.quote0.794
Varela quote grounding the paper's final tension between representation and autonomy.
The results generalise readily to non-equilibrium systems where scaling relationships remain similar (e.g., dynamic or localised scaling).claim0.790
Claim about broader applicability of the scaling argument
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Alexander's optimistic programmatic statement for a worldwide generative system.
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Proposed extension of the natural/representational time distinction to non-neural systems like gene-regulatory networks.
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Alexander's argument that case-by-case mechanical explanations fail to address the universal recurrence of living structure
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Core ontological claim: composition and origin story are contingent, not essential, classifiers
Representational abstraction of truth may emerge more clearly with model scaleclaim0.784
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